Quote by Wobble:
"it took me a lot of study to find the errors in it scripturally, I think a lot of it is not very well presented, as with some of the sites on the Web.I think most on here, JWD,do a better job by the slow introduction of info. and ideas, keep up ,the good work!!!!!"
I agree with that, so many of the 'apostate' websites I've seen are poorly presented. You can't reason with an active witness by pointing out the major organizational problems, they are programmed to ignore that sort of thing.
I think a good beginning is a frank 607 vs 586 discussion, followed by a brief summary of failed JW prophecy. Many MANY JW's have doubts, or at least concerns, about the way things are run but belief in these amazing untrue prophecies is the binder that makes them faithful.
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*** Your thoughts on Apostate Literature ***
by FlyingHighNow inwhen they'd warn us at every circuit assembly not to read apostate literature, remember how they'd tell us if we received it in the mail, to throw it away immediately?
what thoughts went through your mind?.
mine were: "i don't think i can throw it away.
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suicide and explosion at Kingdom Hall on Sat. July 27
by kool aid man06 ina bizarre explosion at a church east of kansas city killed one man on saturday afternoon.
atf agents said the explosion at the jehovah's witness' kingdom hall on foggy bottom drive was intentionally set, and that the person who died appears to have committed suicide.
witnesses described large amounts of smoke pouring out of the building, which they said was just recently completed.
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Blind salamanders - any creationists up to a challenge?
by sir82 ininteresting article on slate.com:.
http://www.slate.com/id/2195683/.
any creationists out there up to a challenge?.
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Take that adaptation and string it out over millions of years.
It is hard for me to believe that people argue creation vs. evolution over freakin' semantics. I have more respect for the 'young earth' crazies who at least have the ignorance of not knowing the first thing about evolution, because they don't care about it at all. If you're going to start accepting little parts of the theory, at least do youself the respect of some honest research, and I don't mean restricted to internet articles. The library is full of books on the subject, which you can read for free. If after that research you disagree, please feel free to enlighten the rest of us. -
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Fate & Bible Prophecies-what do you think?
by DisconnectingDrone injw's are taught that there is no fate-if fate existed no one would be responsible for what they did?
however, i always thought their explanation of jehovah selectively looking into the future was fuzzy.
take the prophecy of cyrus conquering babylon and freeing the israelites back home.
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The prophecy vs. fate, or vs. self-fulfilling prophecy, was one of my issues before I started studying Bible history.
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how many wanted to just run away?...disappear?....after....
by oompa in....waking up to the real truth about the truth?......when it first really hit me like a shovel in the face.....i actually said to the co i would have to leave my wife and son (not hers)) and he is now 20 (not the co..my son), and i said it because i knew i would now never measure up to the "spiritual head" model.
cause i knew it was all bs...but have not really ran away yet....at least not for more than a week at a time.........doing better actually.......but did you want to at least move or something?
?...........oompa
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I almost did.
I applied for a job that would have me travelling cross-country (tech installation job...pretty good actually) but didn't get hired. Not long after, I got a better local job and was able to move out on my own. Being able to live this double life on my own terms (no more service) has made it easier. But not easy. -
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More of my life, thanks for reading and helping me
by BonaFide ini was a regular pioneer since age 16. ministerial servant at 20. ministerial training school at 23 assigned to south america.
i was told i was the youngest missionary in the world among jw's.
elder at 24, circuit overseer at 26. for those who know the c.o.
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It helps me a lot, reading this forum.
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Read to end and you will see what I am trying to do
by BonaFide inserving loyally with gods theocratic organization .
r. clark (new york special assembly-day final talk) .
sorry if my notes are not that great, i recorded talk and tried to write down as best as possible.
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AudeSapere
"Jehovahs Witness dot com was *not* mentioned from the platform. That is one of the comments that bonafide added in."
It was mentioned in another thread by a couple people that yes, JWD was called out by name at a NY convention, and it was in the same context as bonafide recorded...which I find exceptionally odd. I have found a couple forums where 'for real' JDubs talk to people about issues, and answer questions. In my (albeit short) time here, this seems more of an ex-JW forum....calling this place out by name seems more like name-dropping for potentially curious JW's. -
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Best JW tall story/variations of it?
by KW13 indont just list one, list them all so we can laugh because in all honesty i can't believe we believed some of them.
for example, i was told annie lennox stopped a concert to ask if there was any jw's in the audience, and if there was could they leave as they were stopping the demons getting through...is this even remotely true?
did annie lennox ask the jw's in the audience to move because they were stopping the snack lady getting through...and it got twisted through chinese whispers.... the other day (i felt sick) one witness was banging on about how amazing it was that the watchtower society's building was the only one standing still...wtf...my stepdad responded with a 'wow thats amazing' and the first brother was like 'yeah i know'...grrrrrrrrr aaaaaaaah screaaaaaaaaam .
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Question
by Newborn indo you still believe that jehovahs day and the paradise will come?.
i still believe in god and the creation.. /newborn.
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"Part of me wishes I still did but I have seen no evidence for either.."
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A birthday in "bizarro world"
by changeling ini'm sitting in the living room reading jwd on my laptop.
my elderly parents are in the adjacent dining room having lunch.
my mother pulls out the "daily text" and asks: "what day is it?
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I think my JW mom just itches to celebrate birthdays. I guarantee she doesn't forget one.
Actually, once she let me go to a b-day party as a kid, a woman who was studying still had the party for her son, just didn't call it a birthday party! Presents and all, haha.